1 00:00:04,550 --> 00:00:02,330 today on the show I joined Michael 2 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:04,560 McMillian of the Bigfoot collectors Club 3 00:00:11,209 --> 00:00:08,760 podcast to discuss my top 5 favorite UFO 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:11,219 cases so John burrows along with his 5 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:14,730 attorney and John McCain's approval they 6 00:00:18,439 --> 00:00:16,590 all went to the Veteran Affairs and said 7 00:00:20,929 --> 00:00:18,449 you need to help this guy you need to 8 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:20,939 help and he won the case yeah so this is 9 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:22,980 the first documented case that the 10 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:25,230 Veteran Affairs has said this man was 11 00:00:30,019 --> 00:00:28,260 directly affected by a UFO event and is 12 00:00:31,339 --> 00:00:30,029 health deteriorated and we got a help 13 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:31,349 that's insane 14 00:00:46,370 --> 00:00:43,200 yeah that's mind-blowing Wow this is 15 00:00:54,430 --> 00:00:46,380 somewhere in the skies inspired 16 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:02,570 [Music] 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:04,780 we have Ryan Sprague with us from 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:07,450 somewhere in the skies podcast and I 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:13,090 asked Ryan to bring in his top 5 UFO 20 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:15,130 stories his favorite encounter stories 21 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:18,070 and I got a sneak peek at this list and 22 00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:19,990 the cool thing is I don't think we've 23 00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:21,820 done any of these on the show yet so 24 00:01:28,140 --> 00:01:25,320 this might be a good tease or a good 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:28,150 what is it a signpost to point towards 26 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:29,770 where maybe Bigfoot collectors Club 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:30,760 needs to go next 28 00:01:36,690 --> 00:01:34,210 nice yeah what are your first of all 29 00:01:39,060 --> 00:01:36,700 what I want to ask you this what is it 30 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:39,070 in your mind what makes for a good UFO 31 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:43,750 story a good UFO story for me is not the 32 00:01:48,990 --> 00:01:45,970 same prototypical thing over and over 33 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:49,000 again you know it was saucer shaped it 34 00:01:53,010 --> 00:01:50,710 was there for a second and then it 35 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:53,020 zipped away I believe it happened but 36 00:01:57,870 --> 00:01:54,880 for me like that proves nothing we're 37 00:01:59,249 --> 00:01:57,880 absolutely nothing so give me some sort 38 00:02:01,710 --> 00:01:59,259 of physical evidence whether it's 39 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:01,720 photographic whether it's video whether 40 00:02:05,730 --> 00:02:03,430 it's trace evidence if I can go to the 41 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:05,740 site and actually find something is 42 00:02:11,670 --> 00:02:08,110 there traces of radiation in the area 43 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:11,680 can the FAA tell me that they did or did 44 00:02:15,930 --> 00:02:14,170 not have aircraft in the air at that 45 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:15,940 time in that area what were the weather 46 00:02:20,699 --> 00:02:18,100 conditions everything plays into it now 47 00:02:22,590 --> 00:02:20,709 how often are you actually as UFO just 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:22,600 doing that kind of stuff how often are 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:24,570 you actually investigating these kind of 50 00:02:32,069 --> 00:02:29,290 accounts yeah I mean for me I am a UFO 51 00:02:34,590 --> 00:02:32,079 journalist before anything so I do tell 52 00:02:37,710 --> 00:02:34,600 people I am a little armchair researcher 53 00:02:40,590 --> 00:02:37,720 I am I I do the show I write articles 54 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:40,600 about it but I'm not like these 55 00:02:45,449 --> 00:02:42,790 individuals who work for the mutual UFO 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:45,459 network MUFON who go out there and 57 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:48,010 actually investigate I've done that 58 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:51,700 several times and I love doing it but I 59 00:02:56,370 --> 00:02:53,410 like relaying stories I am definitely a 60 00:02:59,460 --> 00:02:56,380 relator of stories and information so 61 00:03:01,140 --> 00:02:59,470 yeah I'd say it's probably like an 80/20 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:01,150 sort of percentage that I'm actually out 63 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:03,010 there boots on the ground right yeah I 64 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:05,140 think I'd be scared of some of the stuff 65 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:07,120 I might find I mean some of the stories 66 00:03:11,729 --> 00:03:09,310 on your podcast I would be too yeah yeah 67 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:11,739 sorry yeah so what's your should we go 68 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:15,610 from least favorite to favorite like 69 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:17,140 your bottom the top are these entering 70 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:23,470 particular orders down list so number 71 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:26,350 yeah number five for number five I would 72 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:29,950 have to go with probably Roswell I mean 73 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:32,380 it's an easy one to sort of go to but it 74 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:35,800 is also kind of what we have and to 75 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:38,250 prove that there is a UFO cover-up right 76 00:03:42,810 --> 00:03:40,660 establishes the narrative of so many 77 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:42,820 things that come afterwards yeah yeah 78 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:45,700 1947 again the beginning of the modern 79 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:48,610 UFO era we had one case before that the 80 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:50,740 Kenneth Arnold flying saucer sighting 81 00:03:55,590 --> 00:03:52,450 right where the actual term flying 82 00:03:57,780 --> 00:03:55,600 saucer was first coin right later 83 00:04:00,300 --> 00:03:57,790 changed to UFO by the US government a 84 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:00,310 lot of people don't know that do a sort 85 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:02,230 of squelch the idea that this could be 86 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:05,290 alien so yeah I'm gonna go with Roswell 87 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:08,410 for number five yeah if you have to come 88 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:11,730 to just a quick conclusion about Roswell 89 00:04:17,039 --> 00:04:14,230 was it an alien craft and were there 90 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:17,049 bodies was there an alien craft in where 91 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:20,080 their bodies I I know this is sort of 92 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:24,340 passive I'm gonna go 5050 okay I fifty 93 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:26,280 percent believe it could possibly be 94 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:29,680 extraterrestrial and probably even 95 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:31,750 splitting that 50 percent if there were 96 00:04:36,719 --> 00:04:34,210 bodies I did interview people who 97 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:36,729 claimed that there's evidence that 98 00:04:42,030 --> 00:04:38,560 something was found 99 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:42,040 we spoke to descendents of the gentleman 100 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:43,120 who worked at the funeral home in 101 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:45,070 Roswell New Mexico that story's pretty 102 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:45,520 fast 103 00:04:50,940 --> 00:04:47,890 it's fascinating they yeah the Air Force 104 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:50,950 she allegedly called him and asked for I 105 00:04:54,659 --> 00:04:53,410 think four to five gallon sized coffins 106 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:54,669 and at first he was like I'm gonna have 107 00:05:00,060 --> 00:04:56,650 to special order those because we don't 108 00:05:02,159 --> 00:05:00,070 keep kid coffins in the funeral home and 109 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:02,169 they're like okay you know and he's like 110 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:04,180 what is going on what is happening he 111 00:05:08,370 --> 00:05:06,370 did ask that he's okay if if there was 112 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:08,380 an abuse yeah that they were dead yeah 113 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:10,390 it seems like what's going on what what 114 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:12,070 happened yeah and they said you do not 115 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:13,540 have a need to know for that just do you 116 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:15,580 have it yeah he didn't he got him 117 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:16,720 ordered and he doesn't know what 118 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:19,000 happened from there or so fascinating 119 00:05:26,219 --> 00:05:22,330 yeah the I also loved the story the 120 00:05:29,340 --> 00:05:26,229 other it's that story and then Mac 121 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:29,350 Brazel is the one who we also get 122 00:05:37,050 --> 00:05:32,460 clue that there were bodies which is 123 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:37,060 because he got paid off I think from the 124 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:38,560 air force that keep his mouth shut 125 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:40,690 he did and he took some of that money to 126 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:43,150 the bar and was getting drunk people 127 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:45,970 were making fun of him and someone's 128 00:05:49,530 --> 00:05:47,650 like you seen little green men and he 129 00:05:52,530 --> 00:05:49,540 supposedly walked out drunk and turn 130 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:52,540 around said they weren't green and left 131 00:05:58,230 --> 00:05:55,840 which is one of my favorite little yeah 132 00:06:02,310 --> 00:05:58,240 either he was serious or he's like a 133 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:02,320 master at suspect it's suspenseful 134 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:05,290 comeback yeah he was not that witty I 135 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:07,480 could tell you that much from from what 136 00:06:12,690 --> 00:06:10,570 I've heard but sure a lot of people also 137 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:12,700 don't know there's two crash sites right 138 00:06:19,290 --> 00:06:14,560 involved with this Corona and where's 139 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:19,300 the other crash site it supposedly it is 140 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:22,570 both near Corona okay a lot of people 141 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:24,610 think it happened in Roswell it did not 142 00:06:27,630 --> 00:06:26,830 that's just where the stuff was brought 143 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:27,640 exactly 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:29,710 yeah the closest town there do anything 145 00:06:36,060 --> 00:06:33,730 with it what we discovered is there was 146 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:36,070 the impact site where the thing actually 147 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:40,540 crashed went back up Basso bounced and 148 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:43,390 literally went miles and miles and miles 149 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:47,460 away and actually when vaccinated right 150 00:06:53,370 --> 00:06:50,200 finale happened exactly and that's where 151 00:06:56,220 --> 00:06:53,380 supposedly the whatever occupants were 152 00:06:58,500 --> 00:06:56,230 in this craft found coverage in a little 153 00:07:01,140 --> 00:06:58,510 cave area right and so that's 154 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:01,150 interesting yeah yeah and they that is 155 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:02,800 is that why some people think that there 156 00:07:08,910 --> 00:07:05,470 were two crash two crafts that crashed 157 00:07:10,350 --> 00:07:08,920 that night possibly because but you're 158 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:10,360 saying and I would tend to agree with 159 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:12,010 you that it was a thing where it skidded 160 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:14,830 hit hit once got back up in the air for 161 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:17,290 miles and then finally came back down I 162 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:19,810 think so if that thing was coming in at 163 00:07:24,690 --> 00:07:22,120 the trajectory that we've been told it 164 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:24,700 has and a lot of testimony of you know 165 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:27,460 what happened I could understand that 166 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:30,460 like coming in at that force and if you 167 00:07:34,170 --> 00:07:32,770 look at the debris that supposedly has 168 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:34,180 been found and was picked up by the 169 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:37,300 military tiny particles of like some 170 00:07:42,659 --> 00:07:40,120 sort of metallic objects burnt bent 171 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:42,669 charred like this thing explode 172 00:07:49,050 --> 00:07:46,300 at a tremendous speed so it shattered 173 00:07:52,469 --> 00:07:49,060 right it's absolutely shattered so yeah 174 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:52,479 I was wondered if this alien metal was 175 00:07:57,659 --> 00:07:54,969 so malleable how it would fall apart 176 00:07:59,730 --> 00:07:57,669 in a crash right but I guess if the 177 00:08:01,230 --> 00:07:59,740 impacts hard enough and the either that 178 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:01,240 or a lot of people think he got shot 179 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:02,289 down yeah 180 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:05,289 - so or that they tried to land it and 181 00:08:09,649 --> 00:08:07,870 they were looking for a flat area to 182 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:09,659 crash land the object after they were 183 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:12,669 you know shot down or struck by 184 00:08:16,290 --> 00:08:14,080 lightning perhaps there was a lightning 185 00:08:18,119 --> 00:08:16,300 storm that night there was yep yep all 186 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:18,129 right cool so let's go to number four 187 00:08:25,529 --> 00:08:21,849 number four I'm going to go with the 188 00:08:27,450 --> 00:08:25,539 Carlos De Santis UFO of 1975 I don't 189 00:08:30,149 --> 00:08:27,460 think I know this story yeah I didn't 190 00:08:31,740 --> 00:08:30,159 know it either to be honest until I I 191 00:08:34,589 --> 00:08:31,750 spoke to a gentleman who strictly 192 00:08:37,469 --> 00:08:34,599 investigates cases out of the Southwest 193 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:37,479 and Mexico and yeah this happened to a 194 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:41,289 gentleman he was flying a private plane 195 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:45,010 Piper at the time and he was heading to 196 00:08:52,079 --> 00:08:48,130 Mexico City and as he was in the air he 197 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:52,089 saw three saucer shaped objects coming 198 00:08:55,530 --> 00:08:53,470 towards him 199 00:08:58,590 --> 00:08:55,540 he started radioing being like who's 200 00:09:00,030 --> 00:08:58,600 around me what's going on here and all 201 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:00,040 his instruments started to fail his 202 00:09:04,230 --> 00:09:02,050 transmissions with the flight towers 203 00:09:05,819 --> 00:09:04,240 were starting to fail and the objects 204 00:09:07,019 --> 00:09:05,829 just got closer and closer until he 205 00:09:10,079 --> 00:09:07,029 could actually make out that they were 206 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:10,089 saucer shaped and they surrounded his 207 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:13,870 plane and then one of them actually hit 208 00:09:19,019 --> 00:09:17,230 his fuselage what yeah crashed into his 209 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:19,029 plane and he started going out of 210 00:09:23,610 --> 00:09:21,160 control he started he started getting 211 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:23,620 back on the radio and finally got in 212 00:09:28,019 --> 00:09:26,290 touch with the FAA whoever was in that 213 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:28,029 area at the time the flights hours I 214 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:30,910 should say and Mayday Mayday I've just 215 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:33,370 been hit I don't know what's going on I 216 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:36,430 don't know what to do and we have actual 217 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:39,760 audio documentation of this hat Wow you 218 00:09:46,259 --> 00:09:43,060 can find it online yet he see portals on 219 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:46,269 the saucer city from what I can gather 220 00:09:54,350 --> 00:09:50,430 from his testimony pilots know pilots 221 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:54,360 all he could see was a dome shaped craft 222 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:56,230 solid dome shape 223 00:10:01,740 --> 00:09:59,170 like a glass right thing with not like 224 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:01,750 the Jetsons exactly exactly so he 225 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:03,700 couldn't see inside of them he was too 226 00:10:07,290 --> 00:10:05,260 busy just trying to gain control of his 227 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:07,300 instruments and his plane he didn't know 228 00:10:11,940 --> 00:10:09,490 what to do and he started he thought he 229 00:10:15,630 --> 00:10:11,950 was gonna crash so how did you make it 230 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:15,640 to an airport so what happened was as he 231 00:10:20,730 --> 00:10:18,310 was trying to gain control he said that 232 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:20,740 these craft these technology whatever 233 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:24,730 actually helped him safely land at the 234 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:27,220 airport they got him to a point where he 235 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:30,100 could gain control they disappeared off 236 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:32,860 into the mountains and he was able to 237 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:35,770 land but when he got down there clearly 238 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:37,690 something at hit his plane like holy 239 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:39,760 [\h__\h] the people who showed up there were 240 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:41,770 like what what the hell happen to your 241 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:42,910 playing there's no reason you should be 242 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:44,220 alive right now 243 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:47,110 yep photos of the plane yep immediately 244 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:49,690 they got this guy into like a psych ward 245 00:10:54,630 --> 00:10:51,910 a hospital first of all check him out 246 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:54,640 and they said he's fine like he seems 247 00:11:00,420 --> 00:10:57,250 traumatized but like he's perfectly sane 248 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:00,430 and it's it's crazy Wow crazy was the 249 00:11:07,380 --> 00:11:03,010 name of that again Carlos de lo Santos 250 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:07,390 case 1975 cool awesome love that you 251 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:08,560 know we'll have to look into that one 252 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:11,440 yeah all right number three number three 253 00:11:16,650 --> 00:11:14,050 all right I'm going to go with the 254 00:11:18,630 --> 00:11:16,660 Rendlesham case the Rendlesham case 255 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:18,640 that's covered we've talked about it we 256 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:20,980 haven't done a full episode devoted to 257 00:11:25,410 --> 00:11:24,130 it okay okay it's one of those big ones 258 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:25,420 we can we turn to spread them out a 259 00:11:30,510 --> 00:11:28,660 little bit you know we have talked about 260 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:30,520 it okay cool yeah you know one play all 261 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:34,720 your cards at with Rendlesham 1980 this 262 00:11:40,980 --> 00:11:38,220 was on a joint military base in England 263 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:40,990 Rendlesham forest connected basically 264 00:11:46,950 --> 00:11:44,440 connected these two bases and there was 265 00:11:50,190 --> 00:11:46,960 a craft that supposedly landed in the 266 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:50,200 forest and clearly they had this thing 267 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:52,930 caught on radar and they saw it land so 268 00:11:58,410 --> 00:11:55,210 the bases go into emergency mode 269 00:12:00,390 --> 00:11:58,420 they send dozens and dozens of officers 270 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:00,400 out there to investigate what this thing 271 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:02,350 was and I've spoken to many of the 272 00:12:06,830 --> 00:12:04,360 officers who have come forward about 273 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:06,840 their experiences with it my unique 274 00:12:12,420 --> 00:12:09,760 involvement was with this is I was 275 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:12,430 in New York at the time as a struggling 276 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:13,960 playwright trying to write a play about 277 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:16,660 this gays so that's how I got in touch 278 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:18,670 with some of the officers and one of the 279 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:21,790 lead investigators on the case and that 280 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:23,980 was my sort of peripheral introduction 281 00:12:28,380 --> 00:12:26,770 to it since then it's just crazy where 282 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:28,390 this case is like one of them read hire 283 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:30,790 like a look at hieroglyphics on the ship 284 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:32,650 and then it was like writing [\h__\h] down 285 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:34,300 in binary code or something that 286 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:37,750 actually made some sense so I mean this 287 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:40,570 guy Jim Penniston one of the officers 288 00:12:44,940 --> 00:12:42,820 who actually touched the craft got that 289 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:44,950 close he said the minute he touch it he 290 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:47,710 saw strange objects on it when he 291 00:12:53,070 --> 00:12:50,800 touched it something was downloaded into 292 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:53,080 his brain this binary code he was able 293 00:12:57,150 --> 00:12:55,060 to like kind of write it down quick as 294 00:12:58,590 --> 00:12:57,160 it was happening to him same with like 295 00:13:01,140 --> 00:12:58,600 what the craft looked like what the 296 00:13:03,810 --> 00:13:01,150 hieroglyphics looked like and since then 297 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:03,820 they've gotten this binary code decoded 298 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:07,570 and it's like ley lines it's it's these 299 00:13:14,010 --> 00:13:10,570 areas throughout the world that a lot of 300 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:14,020 weird stuff lands on the pyramids this 301 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:16,150 that and one of the ley lines is 302 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:19,090 apparently Rendlesham forest Wow 303 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:20,530 so you have to wonder why did it land 304 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:23,170 there and what was it and did this 305 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:25,330 actually happen to him but no entities 306 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:29,290 seen in that yes okay there were there 307 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:32,020 were according to one officer at the 308 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:35,290 time very controversial guy came forward 309 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:38,230 his name is Larry Warren and he said 310 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:39,820 that when he went out there as a 311 00:13:47,510 --> 00:13:43,480 security police officer he saw the craft 312 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:47,520 he saw his superiors talking to someone 313 00:13:53,070 --> 00:13:50,260 but when he got closer who they were 314 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:53,080 talking to we're like three feet tall no 315 00:13:56,580 --> 00:13:53,770 way 316 00:13:58,650 --> 00:13:56,590 glowing all that stuff you hear about in 317 00:13:59,730 --> 00:13:58,660 like the Hopkins four yeah what's that 318 00:14:03,000 --> 00:13:59,740 with the glow-in-the-dark 319 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:03,010 aliens we have more of those I know it's 320 00:14:09,930 --> 00:14:07,570 like a Twilight vampire I guess yeah but 321 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:09,940 yeah that was that's very controversial 322 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:11,290 he's the only one who's claimed that 323 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:13,330 they were entities seen okay at the site 324 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:14,860 so you got to take that for what it's 325 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:17,860 worth right but yeah fascinating case so 326 00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:20,470 a few people sent a link which I have 327 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:22,800 not looked at this weekend 328 00:14:26,290 --> 00:14:24,779 past weekend ovett some there's some 329 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:26,300 connection between that and John McCain 330 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:28,980 yeah yeah yeah that's funny you 331 00:14:32,660 --> 00:14:30,930 mentioned that I just covered that on my 332 00:14:33,949 --> 00:14:32,670 show really what was the can you not 333 00:14:41,510 --> 00:14:33,959 show that real quick with the connection 334 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:41,520 between John McCain totally welcome to 335 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:45,390 hysteria 51 a weekly podcast of 336 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:48,930 mysteries conspiracies the unusual and 337 00:14:54,590 --> 00:14:52,410 the unexplained do we have a laser 338 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:54,600 thermometer to figure out if Admiral 339 00:15:03,829 --> 00:14:56,490 Byrd's here I'm pointing the laser at 340 00:15:06,110 --> 00:15:03,839 the wall now we've John Brent 341 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:06,120 and conspiracy but you're all idiots 342 00:15:11,630 --> 00:15:09,450 yeah join them each week as they clarify 343 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:11,640 conspiracies Amos Stuart Swerdlow I 344 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:13,950 promise I am human and I do human things 345 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:17,160 explore enigmas it's all about ley lines 346 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:18,690 and you'd understand that if I could 347 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:20,730 explain it to you and probe the 348 00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:24,240 paranormal hysteria 51 is a hilarious 349 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:26,820 expedition into the eccentric stop on my 350 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:28,170 joke oh you're good 351 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:31,140 tune in each week and subscribe on Apple 352 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:34,260 podcasts the iHeartRadio app or wherever 353 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:37,649 you listen to podcasts and remember the 354 00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:40,350 truth is out there but you won't find it 355 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:46,980 here stay woke meet sex so a few years 356 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:49,290 ago the other gentleman that was with 357 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:50,790 John Penniston the guy who touched the 358 00:15:57,199 --> 00:15:53,430 craft he was there with him at the time 359 00:15:59,389 --> 00:15:57,209 and he had a completely different 360 00:16:00,829 --> 00:15:59,399 experience he blacked out mm-hmm when 361 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:00,839 this all happened when that's like 362 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:03,660 Calvin Parker did with the Pascagoula he 363 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:05,910 blacked out yeah it seems that always 364 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:07,890 one blacks out and another has yeah 365 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:12,540 weird so I this guy John Burroughs he 366 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:14,970 blacked out during all this wakes up to 367 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:16,890 see the craft descend into the air and 368 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:19,860 disappear he didn't talk about about it 369 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:20,970 for a really long time 370 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:23,430 when the whistle eventually blew on this 371 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:25,649 whole case and a lot of officers came 372 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:29,610 forward he started having weird health 373 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:32,910 problems due to radiation and they asked 374 00:16:37,220 --> 00:16:33,930 him when 375 00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:37,230 were you around radiation he said I the 376 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,880 only thing I could think of was this 377 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:40,800 weird thing that happened to me back in 378 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:46,140 the 80s when I was on his base so what 379 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:48,450 is up with that did this craft have some 380 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:50,910 sort of radiation effect on him he 381 00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:52,890 believed so he got checked out by the 382 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:55,680 the Veterans Hospital and they were like 383 00:17:00,980 --> 00:16:58,800 dude what the hell happened to you this 384 00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:00,990 is far beyond what any human being 385 00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:03,060 should have in their system in terms of 386 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:05,400 like trace radiation and he was like I 387 00:17:07,910 --> 00:17:07,230 don't know but like I'm having a lot of 388 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:07,920 things happen 389 00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:10,230 this was life-threatening for him like 390 00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:12,540 this could have like really it could 391 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:15,180 have killed him so what he did is tried 392 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:17,310 to get surgery and everything done 393 00:17:23,210 --> 00:17:19,740 through the Veteran Affairs cuz can't 394 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:23,220 afford that yeah you know and it was a 395 00:17:26,660 --> 00:17:25,290 big sort of back and forth an argument 396 00:17:28,670 --> 00:17:26,670 for a long time with the Veteran Affairs 397 00:17:31,790 --> 00:17:28,680 like we we can't cover this this that 398 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:31,800 this that John McCain somehow heard 399 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:35,400 about this and was like I am all for our 400 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:38,070 veterans getting the help they can from 401 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:40,890 this so John burrows along with his 402 00:17:46,220 --> 00:17:44,400 attorney and John McCain's approval they 403 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:46,230 all went to the Veteran Affairs and said 404 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:48,570 you need to help this guy Wow 405 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:50,580 you need to help and he won the case 406 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:52,740 yeah so this is the first documented 407 00:17:57,980 --> 00:17:55,080 case that the Veteran Affairs has said 408 00:18:00,410 --> 00:17:57,990 this man was directly affected by a UFO 409 00:18:00,980 --> 00:18:00,420 event and his health deteriorated and we 410 00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:00,990 got a help 411 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:03,150 that's insane yeah that's mind-blowing 412 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:06,600 Wow awesome story yeah all right number 413 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:10,290 two number two all right this one is 414 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:14,670 really fascinating to me this is a woman 415 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:16,500 I interviewed actually in my book this 416 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:19,380 happened in 2005 her name is patty I 417 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:21,470 won't give away away her last name but 418 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:24,840 she had a triangular UFO sighting in 419 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:27,750 Michigan over her home what year this 420 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:32,070 was 2000 2005 2005 sorry no no not at 421 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:35,400 all and she went out with her dogs take 422 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:36,960 him for a walk at night the dogs would 423 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:38,790 not leave the porch never happened 424 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:41,190 before she didn't know why she went out 425 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:43,230 saw this triangular thing right above 426 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:46,290 their home she yells for some of her 427 00:18:50,299 --> 00:18:47,550 family to come out 428 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:50,309 one of her daughters runs out and sees 429 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:52,890 the thing - so okay she's not imagining 430 00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:55,650 this and as they're looking up at this 431 00:19:00,680 --> 00:18:58,200 triangular thing patty the mother starts 432 00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:00,690 feeling euphoric and like this is an 433 00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:03,750 incredible experience I'm having I can't 434 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:04,920 explain what I'm feeling but it's 435 00:19:10,340 --> 00:19:07,740 beautiful and it's silent hovering above 436 00:19:12,830 --> 00:19:10,350 me meanwhile she asks her daughter like 437 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:12,840 well what's going on she looks over her 438 00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:14,970 daughter's covering her ears and saying 439 00:19:20,299 --> 00:19:17,400 how unbearably loud this thing is above 440 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:20,309 them and that it's dangerous and she 441 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:22,920 feel felt like it was a threat so right 442 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:25,590 there that really drew me and they were 443 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:27,450 having completely different experiences 444 00:19:31,610 --> 00:19:29,610 looking at the same exact thing one said 445 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:31,620 it was silent one said it was unbearably 446 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:35,610 loud but it gets even weirder after this 447 00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,960 initial event the third the third person 448 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,280 involved the younger daughter 449 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:44,160 one night she wakes up and she's going 450 00:19:51,020 --> 00:19:46,950 to the bathroom and she sees this weird 451 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:51,030 dark entity leaving her parents yikes 452 00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:56,400 thank you shadow man yep yep that's that 453 00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:58,200 was my first inclination like shadow 454 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:01,320 people or like maybe like she was tired 455 00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:03,210 her eyes were playing tricks on her but 456 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:05,100 she saw the things start heading to her 457 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:08,550 own bedroom so she runs into her room 458 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:12,120 gets under the covers and next thing she 459 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:14,370 knows she hears her mom's voice in the 460 00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:17,820 room and she takes covers down in her 461 00:20:22,910 --> 00:20:20,820 mom's like her mom's there she's there 462 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:22,920 she's definitely there saying honey I 463 00:20:27,049 --> 00:20:24,900 heard like footsteps outside what's 464 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:27,059 going on is everything okay when the 465 00:20:33,530 --> 00:20:30,210 moms asking this the entity is in the 466 00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:33,540 room surveying the room looking at stuff 467 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:36,420 like touching things and she's petrified 468 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:38,280 she can't even like tell her mama 469 00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:40,050 doesn't sleep over there mom doesn't see 470 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:44,220 it so she kind of calms her down she's 471 00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:47,100 like watching the entity look around and 472 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:49,320 as the moms leaving the room the entity 473 00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:52,410 follows them all out and then that's all 474 00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:55,100 she remembers after that she eventually 475 00:21:00,320 --> 00:20:58,020 somehow goes back to sleep I don't know 476 00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:00,330 how I would never sleep again I know and 477 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:01,230 this is one of 478 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:03,390 those cases where I'm like things just 479 00:21:06,860 --> 00:21:04,950 keep getting weirder and weirder they 480 00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:06,870 started having weird poltergeist 481 00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:09,000 activity in the home after that after 482 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:12,540 these events and their electricity went 483 00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,250 out at one point they had Con Ed or 484 00:21:20,539 --> 00:21:16,320 whoever come out and see what was going 485 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,549 on as the Con Ed guy is trying to fix 486 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:24,000 their electricity he sees a UFO above 487 00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,910 the house what and he goes into their 488 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:29,120 house and tells them I'm out of here 489 00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:32,070 I'll send someone else I gotta get out 490 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:36,470 of here and it just kept going and going 491 00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,970 crazy because that sounds like a ghost 492 00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:41,520 story but the ghosts are aliens yeah 493 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:43,140 like it's definitely like aliens 494 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:46,140 haunting a family yes like we're picking 495 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:47,970 you guys out we're kind of claiming the 496 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,340 house or using the house we're scaring 497 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:53,280 away like the rationally minded people 498 00:21:58,580 --> 00:21:55,500 you know what I mean is that there's no 499 00:22:00,919 --> 00:21:58,590 difference in story structure right 500 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:00,929 between that and a good haunting right 501 00:22:05,409 --> 00:22:03,450 yes it was like the doors were open it 502 00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:05,419 started with a UFO and then like 503 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:08,520 poltergeist slipped in the shadow person 504 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:10,830 or alien entity was like okay I'm gonna 505 00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:12,510 go mess with them now that you open 506 00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:13,559 Pandora's box 507 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:15,780 I don't know I'm still working with 508 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:18,210 Patty on this case things are still 509 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:20,340 developing I'm still having weird stuff 510 00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,140 go on the daughters don't really want to 511 00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,720 talk about it it sounds similar to the 512 00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:26,700 copeley wood stuff yeah it really does 513 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,820 yep it does so yeah developing case 514 00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:32,280 still working with her I'm sure I'm 515 00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:34,020 gonna talk to her within the next couple 516 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:36,270 months to see if check back in and see 517 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:38,160 if anything in these photos anything is 518 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,690 there photographic evidence of pictures 519 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:41,640 of the ship or anything they do of the 520 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:44,270 craft they have photos of the craft and 521 00:22:49,580 --> 00:22:46,650 very compelling yep are they available 522 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:49,590 to the public not yet 523 00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:53,190 no maybe in your book possible K maybe 524 00:22:59,960 --> 00:22:55,950 future if if you want to see him I can 525 00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,970 definitely try to see those I will have 526 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:01,980 to check with her first okay she has 527 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:04,770 shared them before in the public so yeah 528 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,330 I will definitely try to get that to see 529 00:23:10,649 --> 00:23:08,640 those yeah little bonus for the patron 530 00:23:16,769 --> 00:23:10,659 yeah we can share with her 531 00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:16,779 a long way $5 this way 532 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:19,080 fascinating all right yeah number one 533 00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:22,570 all right so this this is the case that 534 00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:25,840 I go to whenever anybody asks me for 535 00:23:32,369 --> 00:23:29,679 documentation so I did a Freedom of 536 00:23:35,249 --> 00:23:32,379 Information request a couple years ago 537 00:23:39,389 --> 00:23:35,259 now to the Department of intelligence 538 00:23:41,129 --> 00:23:39,399 the DIA part of the DoD and I had heard 539 00:23:42,239 --> 00:23:41,139 about this case I'd heard stories about 540 00:23:50,089 --> 00:23:42,249 it but I wanted to see if I could 541 00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:52,499 well we talked about like if I'm a 542 00:23:56,489 --> 00:23:54,099 boots-on-the-ground investigator I am 543 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:56,499 more of like an armchair researcher so I 544 00:24:00,930 --> 00:23:58,450 wanted to do my due diligence and see 545 00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,940 what I could find on this so I hammered 546 00:24:06,389 --> 00:24:03,039 them for any information on this one and 547 00:24:08,099 --> 00:24:06,399 I waited probably a year and a half to 548 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:08,109 actually get a response from Wow and 549 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:09,940 they apologized they said we are so 550 00:24:13,979 --> 00:24:12,609 backlogged like we're sorry but you got 551 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:13,989 to be careful when you do these requests 552 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:16,330 because if you don't go in with 553 00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:17,830 specifics they're not gonna give you 554 00:24:22,649 --> 00:24:19,960 [\h__\h] right you have to do your homework 555 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:22,659 before you make these requests I reached 556 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:24,129 out to a gentleman who told me exactly 557 00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:26,049 how I should word this who I should 558 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:29,019 direct it to and he was right I want 559 00:24:33,509 --> 00:24:31,690 what was the case so this is and then 560 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:33,519 yeah he was the right person to go to 561 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:36,070 the right person to go to was the 562 00:24:44,190 --> 00:24:39,369 Department of intelligence and this was 563 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:44,200 the tyronn case of 1960 so yeah yeah 564 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:47,830 this rings a bell yeah so this happened 565 00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:51,970 in Tehran Iran and strange lights were 566 00:24:57,419 --> 00:24:54,940 seen being seen over the town and they 567 00:24:59,969 --> 00:24:57,429 people started contacting local law 568 00:25:01,589 --> 00:24:59,979 enforcement and the airport be like 569 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:01,599 what's going on like there's weird stuff 570 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:04,690 being seen in the area like should we be 571 00:25:11,729 --> 00:25:07,450 worried is this an attack of some sort 572 00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:11,739 and so the local air force base got 573 00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:14,830 involved and they were like what like we 574 00:25:19,649 --> 00:25:17,470 know nothing about this we got some 575 00:25:21,299 --> 00:25:19,659 weird blips on a radar but we should 576 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:21,309 probably investigate this so they sent 577 00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:24,050 two pilots up to look 578 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:26,600 whatever people were seeing and once 579 00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:28,510 they got up there they saw these weird 580 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:31,550 brilliant bright lights and the closer 581 00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:35,240 they got the lesser instrumentation 582 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:36,590 would work Wow 583 00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,110 so they got a little scared at that 584 00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:40,400 point they're like I don't even know if 585 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:42,350 we can like make it up to whatever this 586 00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:44,420 is to investigate it they actually turn 587 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:46,760 around go back to the base and they told 588 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:49,490 their superior yeah I agree I agree they 589 00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:51,650 told their superior we don't know what's 590 00:25:56,620 --> 00:25:53,960 going on but we can't get a lock on it 591 00:26:00,270 --> 00:25:56,630 we can't see it but it's making all of 592 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:00,280 our instruments fail so Parviz Jafari a 593 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:04,070 a major I believe at the time he went up 594 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:07,010 by himself he's like fine you guys 595 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:11,450 hold my beer I can imagine this dude 596 00:26:14,770 --> 00:26:13,310 doing that he did he was like you're 597 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:14,780 fine you're too chicken I'm gonna go up 598 00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,330 there so you know as a veteran who's 599 00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,480 nude flown so much he was like I'm gonna 600 00:26:25,090 --> 00:26:23,120 take a crack at this he goes up and he 601 00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:25,100 actually got super close to whatever 602 00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:27,590 this thing was and saw a structure to it 603 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:30,830 it was diamond shaped cool she's pretty 604 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:32,570 cool I don't like her that often No 605 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:34,520 Close Encounters has one of those a 606 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:35,930 couple of those little but they're 607 00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:38,690 little right right this thing was huge 608 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:41,030 he said that it was probably the size of 609 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,990 like a um a Boeing like and am insane 610 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:50,480 yeah so he gets close to it has the same 611 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:52,510 problems his instruments start to fail 612 00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:55,310 but what was interesting is as he's 613 00:27:00,370 --> 00:26:57,350 looking at this huge diamond thing a 614 00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:00,380 smaller object came out of it it started 615 00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:03,080 following his plane and that's when he 616 00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:05,060 started getting worried he's like this 617 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:07,340 like this isn't just one thing like 618 00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,770 there's some other things attached to 619 00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,840 this and it started falling came out 620 00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:14,480 yeah like some sort of probe or drone 621 00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:16,340 started following this plane and got a 622 00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:18,680 lock on him so right now he's in a 623 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:22,460 dogfight with a UFO he's following it 624 00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:25,190 it's following him he gets a lock on it 625 00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:28,030 gets a lock on him as he fire on it so 626 00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:32,120 he actually was going to fire on it but 627 00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:34,700 it made like these unbelievable 628 00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:36,830 maneuvers and got behind him and then 629 00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:38,120 got the lock on him 630 00:27:43,450 --> 00:27:40,520 so now he's trying to outrun the UFO and 631 00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:43,460 what he does is he takes a negative g'd 632 00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,960 this whole scene in a movie after you 633 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,240 can see it yeah and this is all in the 634 00:27:54,909 --> 00:27:52,880 documents I got this is crazy about this 635 00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:54,919 guy's testimony so he makes a negative 636 00:28:02,680 --> 00:27:58,480 knows G dive or what-have-you and 637 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:02,690 outmaneuver Z and that thing like crash 638 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:05,570 lands apparently into the mountains and 639 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:07,970 he doesn't know where it go it went from 640 00:28:16,029 --> 00:28:11,330 there the diamond-shaped mothership as I 641 00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:16,039 presume took off as well you know event 642 00:28:20,649 --> 00:28:18,500 over but he goes and investigates it the 643 00:28:23,649 --> 00:28:20,659 next day in the town where especially 644 00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:23,659 the thing landed no one saw anything but 645 00:28:29,139 --> 00:28:26,120 they did hear some sort of explosion in 646 00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:29,149 the town there was trace radiation found 647 00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:32,929 in the area the way the Defense 648 00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:34,760 Intelligence Agency got involved in 649 00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:36,740 America is we are leasing our planes to 650 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:39,080 Iran at the time so it was our aircraft 651 00:28:43,299 --> 00:28:41,510 that Parviz Jafari was flying so they 652 00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,309 wanted to know what the hell happened 653 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:46,159 and what our new vered our yeah yeah 654 00:28:50,409 --> 00:28:49,190 yeah yeah so that's how they got 655 00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:50,419 involved they wanted to do their own 656 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:52,580 personal investigation they worked with 657 00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:54,830 jafari and then eventually told him you 658 00:29:00,399 --> 00:28:55,940 never talk about this again 659 00:29:01,810 --> 00:29:00,409 oh Jesus so he it goes even further he 660 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:01,820 spoke in front of the National Press 661 00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:04,809 Club in Washington about this event and 662 00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,860 we lost him a few years ago 663 00:29:11,409 --> 00:29:09,200 unfortunately oh no but we have all this 664 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:11,419 documentation and testimony to rely on 665 00:29:14,529 --> 00:29:13,130 when it comes to this case that's why 666 00:29:16,510 --> 00:29:14,539 it's number one for me we have 667 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:16,520 government documents we have the 668 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:19,250 testimony of a military pilot and we 669 00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:21,740 have a clear cover-up as well don't talk 670 00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,279 about this he did Wow god that's too bad 671 00:29:29,649 --> 00:29:27,919 he's gone I know that seems to be the 672 00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:29,659 problem with a lot of these UFO cases 673 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,640 it's a race where the Undertaker when it 674 00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:33,679 comes to it well and especially Roswell 675 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:35,630 you know like guess what when I 676 00:29:40,899 --> 00:29:37,730 mentioned on the main feed episode with 677 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:40,909 you that when Dennis Balthazar took us 678 00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,190 around town not only are his first 679 00:29:50,169 --> 00:29:48,559 secondhand witness is dying a lot of the 680 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:50,179 original buildings are being torn down 681 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:51,650 and replaced by 682 00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:54,170 like pretty soon I'm gonna have fewer 683 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:55,640 and fewer I'm gonna have nothing to 684 00:30:00,760 --> 00:29:57,410 actually point at and be like this is 685 00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:00,770 where this thing was yep so we found 686 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,080 that too we were able to find you know 687 00:30:09,370 --> 00:30:06,320 third hand or distant relatives of Jesse 688 00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:09,380 Marcel to speak to but yeah like what do 689 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:10,760 you do when you're firsthand witnesses 690 00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,220 are gone you know maybe the cover up one 691 00:30:17,410 --> 00:30:15,200 at that point but uh we're not done a 692 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:17,420 lot of UFO investigators aren't done 693 00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:19,180 we're gonna keep digging yeah 694 00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:22,760 fascinating oh man great top five 695 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:23,500 listens 696 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:26,210 news stories that we should dig into on 697 00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:28,670 our podcast as well but Ryan spec thank 698 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:30,830 you again go check out his podcast and 699 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:31,610 we're in the skies 700 00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:34,250 check out Roswell mysteries decoded I 701 00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:36,680 hope you do more TV stuff because I 702 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:38,360 thought you were terrific host thank you 703 00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,480 um your natural so hosting absolutely 704 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:47,840 and I thought you managed to pack in so 705 00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:49,730 much information in those like 45 706 00:30:54,790 --> 00:30:52,700 minutes so we tried yeah it that you 707 00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:54,800 avoided these sort of like tease it out 708 00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:57,230 tease it out kind of stuff you see in a 709 00:31:02,290 --> 00:30:59,570 lot of these shows we wanted to inform 710 00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:02,300 new people of this but then bring 711 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:04,760 something new forward otherwise what the 712 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:06,530 hell's and not a lot of repetition which 713 00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:09,890 I 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